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Obama wins election!

Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by Az of DSR, Nov 4, 2008.

  1. EnigmaMaitreya

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    Obama has proven nothing.

    As for working with the party in power. You mean like you did with President Bush over the last 8 years?

    You mean like Nancey Pelosi, Murtha, Reid did over the last 6 years?

    You know the kind of cooperation and working together that Pelosi called for when she "Declared WAR on the Republican Party". Vowed to teach the Republicans a lesson they would never forget?

    You mean the working together Murtha did when he told the Republicans to NOT EVEN BOTHER SUBMITTING LEGISLATION BECAUSE IT WOULD BE DEAD ON ARRIVAL? Sight unseen, unread, DEAD because a Republican submitted it. For the last 6 years the Democrats have CONTROLLED THE HOUSE and as long as the Democrats control the House?

    You mean the working together Reid did when he does what ever he can to embarrass Republicans in general and THE HATED McCain specifically?

    You mean the Republicans should work with the Democrats EXACTLY THE WAY THE DEMOCRATS WORKED WITH THE REPUBLICANS FOR THE LAST 6 YEARS THEY HAD CONTROL OF CONGRESS?:thumbup1:

    Please do define Work together as a Nation in the context of how YOU and the democratic party has waged WAR AGAINST BUSH AND THE REPUBLICANS, doing every thing you could do, to make sure every thing went wrong for the Republicans.
     
  2. Der Rock

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    think one moment about it, only one split second...

    how many innocent people (american soldier are also meant here)
    could still live if the grandmother bush had chosen to abord
     
  3. EnigmaMaitreya

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    Care to PROVE that fact?

    I mean you are obviously stating a FACT, as in you KNOW FACTUALLY that had the Bush Boys not been born that NO INNOCENT LIVES WOULD HAVE BEEN LOST IN IRAQ.

    I would like to REALLY (as opposed to some fantasy) see this alternate time line your using as FACT.

    Why don't you prove this FACT. :popcorn:

    Because if you can not provide me with the ability to REALLY see this alternate time line, then here is your answer.

    Had the Bush Boys NOT done the things they did, then 18,762,429 INNOCENT Iraq citizens would have died, 1,827,342 European Military Personnel would have died, 0 INNOCENT American Military Personnel would have died. Those are as good a set of numbers as any your going to produce.
     
  4. Der Rock

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    osama bin laden -- made by usa proven fact ( during the udssr /afganistan war)
    saddam hussein -- made by usa proven fact
    iran- remember the shah of persia ????
    panama remember ???
    grenada remember ???
    and so on
    what g.w.bush calling NOW terrorists was the best friends from rumsfeld and companions
     
  5. Aran

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    If by "majority" you mean "barely 1/6 of the population," sure. I guess you're kind of right.

    I don't give a damn about what the color of his skin is. The man is a socialist, he's against the Constitution, and is not a good choice for president by any means.

    YOU are the racist, because that's the only issue you can see. I see a terrible politician, you see a black man.
     
  6. EnigmaMaitreya

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    Excuse me, you have used things in this time line and are arguing with them.

    That hardly constitutes PROOF that with out them NOTHING WOULD HAVE BEEN DONE OR THINGS WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER.

    So either get on board and say you hate these people and stop pretending to be able to prove things would have been better without them. Basically admitting your just stateing your .... opinion. Because if YOU do not have any proof and all this is, is .... your opinion, then well, what can I say, your welcome to your opinion and I certainly will give your opinions the consideration they deserve and will just say adios amigo and move on. :)

    OR

    Provide the Proof that things would have been better.
     
  7. Viper09

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    I don't believe 1/6 would constitute a win, but whatever. I would be interested in hearing why you think he's against the constitution without using unsupported claims and hearsay.

    Anyways, no one is saying that those who didn't vote for Obama are racist. You are jumping ahead of yourself for some reason. Granted there are some in the US who are racist but that's for another discussion...

    What it should read is...

    -That does not mean you are doing all of these, hence the or, and of course, I added getting over it.
     
  8. Aran

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    You get one example, and one example only.

    He has voted for every measure against the Second Amendment that has come across his plate, and has vowed to continue that streak.
     
  9. Viper09

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    ...or is that your only example? That amendment is a popular one for discussion and interpretation even among politicians. That doesn't mean he is completely against the constitution if he believes it needs to be more regulated.
     
  10. Aran

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    What does SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED mean in your Orwellian Newspeak?
     
  11. Az of DSR

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    Seriously. You had 8 years as a party, you screwed up and dropped the ball so badly so many times with the way you do buisness. And any other democrat would have tried to help but would have failed to heal the cancer of the bush years. But you lucky tools, we got Obama and you will all be grateful for it years from now when your pride heals.

    Dont forget GW was your everyman, look even a fool can be president. Obama atleast has worked hard his whole life and has truely had a calling to lead and help. GW was born into, and he was a lame duck. Your party failed, get out of the road if ya cant lend your hand. For the times they are a changin.

    Obama / Binden - 2012!
    For peace, for a better tomorrow.
     
  12. Aran

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    You don't even know the VP's last name, how can you support him? :D
     
  13. EnigmaMaitreya

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    So you admit to working AGAINST the Hated Bush and the Republicans for the last 8 years and blame them for everything you and the democrats did to sabotage America in the name of Teaching the Hated Republicans a Lesson. Points for Honesty. BUT Minus points for trying to blame President Bush and the Republicans for your Declared War of sabotage against the Hated Republicans effort. BE honest and just admit you screwed President Bush and the Republicans (and of course you dont care how badly you messed the country up) for the last 6 years you controlled congress.

    And Obama, worked hard in ACORN forcing Banks to make loans to BAD RISK PEOPLE or he would Black List them as being a Raciest Bank. Then carrying on the hard work PROMOTING FANNY AND FREDDY to make loans TO UNQUALIFIED PEOPLE.

    Worked hard for the Illinois people by purgering himself by saying he HAD NO ALIASES when he took the Senate position. Knowing full well he had his name changed to alias Barry Soetoro alias Barack Dunham. Hard at work representing the People of Illinois by voting NOT PRESENT.

    You mean that kind of hard work. Right got ya :thumbup1:
     
  14. Dragkiris

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    You realize that while the presedent has been republican for the past 8 years that the senate and congress have been democrat for the past 6 or so. So democrats have had more pull than republicans...just so you realize what your talking about.
     
  15. Der Rock

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    Take This
    He was born to a mother who's last name was Dunham, and a father who's last name was Obama. His grandfather gave him the nickname Barry when he was a child. When he was still very young, his mother divorced his father, then later married a man with the last name of Soetoro. Hence, various combinations have been used to refer to him, in various circumstances.
    This history has all been laid out in Barack Obama's book, Dreams of my Father, a book that was written long before he had entered politics.


    LOL , i cant say here what i think u are but beleave me ,i lough a lot :)
     
  16. EnigmaMaitreya

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    Cool, you laugh (laughter is good for the soul) a lot and your history lesson is inaccurate BUT YOU CONCEDE HE PURGERED HIMSELF.

    You concede, his community work was to FORCE BANKS TO MAKE LOANS TO UNQUALIFIED PEOPLE OR HE WOULD LIST THEM AS A RACIEST BANK.

    You concede, he voted for laws encouraging Fanny and Freddie to make loans to UNQUALIFIED PEOPLE.

    Or in short, you have conceded everything I have said is true, while managing to get an aspect of your history lesson wrong.

    But of course the most obvious part is you want to communicate that I am a moron.

    Now then, if that is what you think, then what would be your motive in even reading anything I, a simple moron, would write? :popcorn:

    I for one am an advocate for people portraying who and what they are correctly. :)

    But I really do think this needs to be adios amigo, live long and prosper. :)
     
  17. Nexus

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    What makes you say not enough? The top 12 oil producing countries alone if they keep current production rates have around 965 years worth of oil reserves. Canada alone has 182 years worth of production life at current rates. Story short...yea fossil fuels are a limited resource but we have a lot of time to work on alternatives.

    I'm not saying that looking for alternative energy sources is a bad thing, I'm saying to be caught up in all the bull**** political and environmental talk that's floating around. If your talking about global warming...well...

    Global warming may not be a myth, but it's not caused by humanity. We don't have the technology to control or alter our planets global environment in that way. Besides look past all the Green Peace crap and really do some research. Did you know Alaskan Glaciers are growing? In 2002 polar ice caps increased in size? Average overall temperatures on earth have dropped in the past 10 years. Yea summers have been hotter but winters have also been much colder. Global temperatures have only increased .5 degrees over a century on average over the century before.

    Want to know what I think is the real thing though? Planet Earth is going through one of it's natural cosmic cycles of arid dry times just like it has periods we call Ice Ages.

    The Carboniferous period had CO2 levels around 183% higher than current times and life continued. I don't think what's going on today is going to kill off all life on earth either....
     
  18. Az of DSR

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    Spelling is not my strong suit, but yes I know who the guy who gets to vote if theres a tie in the senate. Not that he matters much.

    But pick a dumb hockey mom, will loose you an election not by alittle but the landslide we saw ( =
     
  19. Az of DSR

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    Exactly so we could only send him bills and such that he would pass. But now all the houses are democratic. Real progress will commence.

    No more lies and starting wars for profit. (haliburton). And goodbye to the adminstration of war criminals and there evil prisons.
     
  20. Aran

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    In what world is a 52/48 split a landslide? Not the one I live in, surely.
     
  21. Viper09

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    He was referring to the electoral college, that was a landslide. Popular vote was not landslide obviously...
     
  22. Der Rock

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    global oil reserve is +- 1,2 billionen barrel, will last maybe +-40 years
    i realy dont know where u hear such stupid numbers like 965 years (LOL)
    maybe u watch to much disney-channel tales

    and with CO2 in carbon age, I SPEAK from the mankind and NOT from some beetle who will survive

    may i ask, is the below average IQ rate a republican problem ??
    this alaska mum affirm that many times in the last weeks :)
     
  23. Der Rock

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    the landslide is that 60+% votet, thats the highst rate since 100 years in USA

    and i am so sorry for the USA that they have still 48% of hmm how should i say this,
    ah, u know the thre monkey´s "nothing hear, nothing see, and nothing say
     
  24. Hanna

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    Actually several have been over 60% but this one did inch over most of those, the highest was 100 years ago at a bit over 65%
     
  25. Nexus

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    I forgot to average it out, still the figure comes up over 60 years. Long enough for stable long term alternative fuels to be developed. Personally I'm all of Nuclear energy myself, it's reasonably safe, produces low amounts of non-treatable, non-recyclable waste.

    And CO2 content in the atmosphere isn't strictly a Human created issue, we can't stop or control it. Our contribution to All green house gases counting water vapor is .28%. If you don't include Water Vapor it's 5.53%, tell me if you find a way to cut out that .28% introduced by humans tell me what you have planned to curb the other 99.72%

    Oh yea btw Water Vapor is the largest green house emission. For people to curb that we'd have to stop breathing...

    In the overall scheme of things Mankind is no more or less important than a beetle. Get used to it that's a fact, come to think of it we're worse than beetles. They at least serve a purposeful role in the ecosystem instead of trying to adapt it to their will.
     
  26. Hanna

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    Actually it's about 1300 billion not 1.2 billion
     
  27. Flora Green

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    Your remark regarding was a blanket remark appearing as it's directed towards anyone who opposes the messiah. If you don't want it interpreted as such, perhaps you should have clarified your intent.

    The left has spent eight years working against Bush and other Republicans in every way possible. You now have the audacity to say we have to work with YOUR man? Your socialist? Your remarks "He won. Move on." are hilarious. Did you all move on when Bush won in 2000? No. You cried for 8 years that he stole the election when he didn't. And unlike Bush, Obama DID win, in part, due to fraud. Of course, now that he will have power in a couple of months, nothing will be done about ACORN and the like.

    I have no idea what youtube video you are spouting off about, but the questions of Obama's birth certificate are legit. If he has nothing to hide, why won't he prove it? Why did his certificate become sealed after his visit to Hawaii? You do realize he's being challenged on this in a number of states and not by one person, right? You do know that his Kenyan family claims they were there for his birth in Hawaii, right? If he has nothing to hide and can prove he's a US citizen, why not make the rumors disappear?

    Please.

    No, I have no respect for social workers as a whole. I'm sure there are a few here and there that want to do the right thing, but when I've seen children taken from homes and parents charged with child abuse because they aren't current on vaccinations, yet abused children are left in their homes with not a second glance, I have nothing good to say about that "profession". Oh, I'm married to a lawyer. I assure you, I won't require the help of a social worker.

    Have a great day.
     
  28. Gwendar-SP

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    Only 8?? Talk about big brother? that is the repubicans
     
  29. hydro

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    everyone might as well get over it now. there is nothing we can do about the idiotcy of the 52% of voters who picked osama. it doesnt matter about the birth certificate issue now, there is no way they will take the elect back now. its too late for that. all anyone can do now make the best we can for the next 4 years and hope what we dont know about osama wont be the end of the USA as we knew it. ill support him ONLY because i support the seat he holds,when he is gone in 2012 he will be considered a pig again. when he makes mistakes EVERYONE should criticize him with fierce opposition, like he did to bush.....
     
  30. Atlantian

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    His last name is Obama not osama. He is an American. He was born here in this country. He is NOT the anti-christ. He is not a Muslim. Get over it. He was chosen by the MAJORITY of this country. Whatever your prejudice is....get over it. And by the way....where did your family come from? I'll bet real money not from here.
     
  31. Az of DSR

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    Good man. Brother ( =


    And the facts are, in 4 years he will get reelected. Just cant beat a sitting president nowadays, we learned that in 04. So enjoy the next 8 years, Im investing into tissue companies for all you criers. ( =

    Write some letters to your party, after you elected a total idiot in bush you can nolonger try and elect idiots. So dont make the palin or bush mistake ever again. Your party has some bright intelligent leaders, stop giving us ******* to play up to your base.
     
  32. Der Rock

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    lol, i see , the people who vote for that thing called blush or brush i dont know, g.w. brush or so
    poeple who vote vor that seems like to have the same low IQ level.
    tel me pls how can they survive if they are not in the condition to open such simple thing like a banana???
    LOL ,what was god thinking as he alowed such stupid humans to get birth on earth
     
  33. hydro

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    he is a socailist.. get over it and accept it.. you follow him cuz you probaly feel the government owes you something. i want to like him and i wish i could tell people i voted for the first black american president. he sure does give good speeches and seems to be a leader, but the contents of his worhtless speeches is what scares to hell out of me and the other 49% of the US.
     
  34. Aran

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    DO NOT SPEAK ILL OF THE GREAT MESSIAH!

    Now where's my rolling eyes emote...
     
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    It wasn't about bailing out the businesses in and of itself. Companies such as AIG were key links in the country's economic chain and if they were allowed to fail, as all businesses that tanked right before the Great Depression were, we'd be seeing another Great Depression. At that time, the government took the same stance many people believe it should take now. "They got themselves into it, so let 'em take a dive." I think the government looks back and realizes that doing that was one of their mistakes, so they're trying to pick and choose what company needs to be saved based on their role and importance in the economy.

    Think of it like this, AIG provides insurance for numerous other companies, most of whom didn't have anything to do with the bailouts. If allowed to fail, those companies would be left without insurance and forced to close. That'd be alot of jobs lost by people who did nothing wrong. It's spending big now to prevent the country from failing as a result of some massive chain effect.
     
  36. hydro

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    im pretty sure they were reffering to the 700 billion bail out, not the AIG bail out. i belive the AIG thing was 85 mill. AIG bail out was a good thing for the reasons you stated, the 700 bail out is what seems to be garbage. that bail out included funding for nascar tracks and such, why the hell should any of our tax money be going to nascar?? if we wanted to support nascar we could buy tickets to see a race... thats just one example,im sure there are many more examples of wasted tax money in that bail out...
     
  37. miss_samara

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    Ouch. It's honestly kind of shocking to see someone slam a whole group of people they don't know based on their profession. I doubt you'll believe me, but I think my stepmother really did want to help people when she chose to become a social worker. She eventually left child protection services all together and worked in nursing homes. I never recall her saying she ever had to take a child out for lack of vaccinations. However, I remember many stories about taking babies with flat heads because they had never been picked up or turned. And the same babies having bite marks on them from rats and cockroaches. And quite a few crack mothers basically renting out their children for sexual purposes in return for drugs. I'm sure there are some information sources out there though, that would love to take one case of a child being taken away for petty reasons and blow it up to make it sound like it happens hundreds of times a day.

    Then again, I'm pro Obama, who is apparently going to turn Murica into a communist/socialist/marxist/atheist/satanic/muslim nudist colony. So my word probably can't be trusted anyway. On the good side, I expect to be getting my spiffy pitchfork, cloven hooves and wings any day now. :D
     
  38. Aran

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    No, just your comeuppance.

    You'll see.
     
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    Really? Nascar? That's crap. Yeah I agree that kind of stuff is a waste. I know that originally the bill had been turned down, only to pass later after a ton of sweeteners were added. If this is one, thats total BS, it doesn't even apply to the country's economy.
     
  40. Az of DSR

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    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081110/ap_on_bi_ge/aig_bailout

    "The government on Monday provided new financial assistance to troubled insurance giant American International Group, including pouring $40 billion into the company in return for partial ownership."

    Fun fact, I actually borrowed 3 grand no interest for 6 months for this laptop from AIG about 2 years ago (alienware). I know they made like 200 bucks interest on me by the time I paid it off. I thought I made them rich, guess not. ( =
     
  41. The scariest part is that the entire government is controlled by one party, and on top of that there is a very good chance that up to four seats could come available in the Supreme Court.

    The last time gun laws were debated in the Supreme Court the laws passed by a 5-4 vote.

    Not only do we face major financial problems (not just in the USA but worldwide) we could also be facing huge civil rights issues.

    As for pointing fingers at the Republicans for messing things up, or the Democrats for failing to help the problem rather than hinder it, it is up to our elected officials to work together in the best interest of all Americans.

    It is obvious that neither side has been able to do that recently, and it's disgusting!

    Another concern is seeing the reaction worldwide of the different countries. If a country like Somalia is excited that someone has been elected, it would be wise to look at the reasons why they are excited.

    It's time for our leaders to look at what is in the best interest for America and come together to make wise decisions.

    Let us not forget that the Great Depression spawned evil like no other in the form of Adolf Hitler.

    :grouphug:
     
  42. Animal11

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    Yea, Gratz! Another step closer to socialism! Follow the Euro-path to prosperity! No wait...
     
  43. Aran

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    Everyone start practicing your lockstep.
     
  44. Atlantian

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    Wow! What do any of us know about socialism? Most of us don't even understand capitalism. And if you say you do, then you are a lying a**hole!
     
  45. Der Rock

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    1. u should learn more about ure own country.
    (why is it, that many (if not most) forigners know more about the usa then the americans himself?, WHAT do u learn in scool?LOL)

    2.do u ever heard anything about the "new deal" or the "good neighbor policy"

    It is the second time in the last 100 years that the "pure" american kapitalism crashed.

    funny part is, some of the biggest american companies ask NOW for sicialism-help
    LOOOOOL

    the +- 230 years of american history, i tell u, u dont make another 100 year IF the usa dont do radical changes SOON
     
  46. Animal11

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    With your shown capacity to castrate the English language, I'm hard pressed to think you are an authority on scholastic curriculum.

    For the record, I don't favor bail-outs or tax hikes (on any class). No one's tax hike will improve your or my life one iota. Just gives govt. more cash to **** away... Personally, I just as soon **** away my own hard earned cash. At some near-future point, Bush and the Republican's won't be the auto-scapegoat for all that ails you, on that day, I hope you'll have the courage to see it for what it is and who got us there.
     
  47. Der Rock

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    1.it was very early hear in germany, so i was not full wake up :)
    2.all my english is learning by doing :) how many other languages do u speak ?
    3.90% of all americans are not more intelligent then 4th class elementary kids in germany !

    4.IT Is NOT youre own hard earned cash ALONE ! you life in a community and you have to pay for that !!!!!!

    5.many middle class and upper class people voted for obama.
     
  48. Aran

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    So there are a lot of idiots in all walks of life.
     
  49. Atlantian

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    For one, what english? If you are American you speak American.Second, just like Der asked how many languages do you speak?
     
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    No, it's English. Why do you think all colleges, in America even, who teach this language to foreign students call it English? Hence the term ESL (English as Second Language). American is simply a dialect of English.